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Was Hitler Genius?
12:02 am at Wednesday, Apr. 07, 2004

Why am I automatically considered anti-Semetic because I say that Hitler was a political genius? I'm not anti-Semetic and I don't hate Jews but I just think that people are so quick to jump to conclusions sometimes. Intelligent conversation:

BMXFREAK669: im reading more about the angel of death and what he did
BMXFREAK669: its really sick
BMXFREAK669: its making me a bit mad
BMXFREAK669: thats all
a carbon echo: ohhhh
BMXFREAK669: i mean this stuff is
BMXFREAK669: the sickest of the sick
a carbon echo: what happened?
BMXFREAK669: this coming from the kid who laughs at people getting thier brains blown out of thier heads
BMXFREAK669: he sterillized jews and alot of other people with very intense x rays which usually killed them
a carbon echo: wait
BMXFREAK669: and then started injecting sterillizing chemicals
a carbon echo: and his name was the angel of death?
BMXFREAK669: and alot of other shit
BMXFREAK669: thats what they called him
a carbon echo: uh
a carbon echo: what a loser name.
BMXFREAK669: real name was joseph mengele
BMXFREAK669: well he ran auschwitz
a carbon echo: i would have thought that they would have called him like ex-con or something hardcore, you know?
BMXFREAK669: and agreed with everything that went on
BMXFREAK669: haha
BMXFREAK669: jimmy is called ex con
a carbon echo: haha
a carbon echo: jimmy ran auschwitz, jimmy ran auschwitz -sings-
BMXFREAK669: lol
BMXFREAK669: wow
BMXFREAK669: this is just down right sickening
BMXFREAK669: Mengele reserved a special barracks for his twin subjects, as well as for dwarfs, cripples and other "exotic specimens." The barracks was nicknamed the Zoo, Mengele’s holding pen.
BMXFREAK669: thats just the start
BMXFREAK669: i keep coming up with relatively the same information
a carbon echo: oh
BMXFREAK669: so i can beleive iit
BMXFREAK669: *it
a carbon echo: well you go do that
BMXFREAK669: im done
BMXFREAK669: i think thats the sickest man ive ever heard of
a carbon echo: it's quite possible
a carbon echo: but perhaps he was a science genius
BMXFREAK669: no
BMXFREAK669: he wasnt
BMXFREAK669: none of what he did
a carbon echo: if something good had come out of that that advanced science, you know that they would have disregarded how many people he killed.
BMXFREAK669: had any relation to science or any break through of any sort
a carbon echo: you know they would have.
BMXFREAK669: no
a carbon echo: yes
BMXFREAK669: beleise me
BMXFREAK669: *beleive me
BMXFREAK669: ive been looking at this info for 2 days now
BMXFREAK669: and theres not a single good or even right thing he did
a carbon echo: if anything good comes out of cloning they're going to forget how it doesn't work on monkeys
a carbon echo: and conveniently forget that primates are the closest species to humans..
BMXFREAK669: yeah
BMXFREAK669: all he did
BMXFREAK669: was experiment on and kill sets of twins
a carbon echo: so what makes you think that if per chance, some scientific advance came out his experiments, as controversial and absurd they were, that scientists wouldn't eat it all up and sugarcoat how many people he killed?
BMXFREAK669: i read this and i quote it
BMXFREAK669: he started out for the research and quickly lost cause and continued in a madness with no purpose and no end in sight
a carbon echo: (mikem says he really needs to talk to you)
BMXFREAK669: quote un quote
a carbon echo: and so did hitler
a carbon echo: but hitler was a genius
BMXFREAK669: yes
BMXFREAK669: no
a carbon echo: i don't care what he did. he was a fucking genius
BMXFREAK669: he was declared mentally insane
BMXFREAK669: ok
BMXFREAK669: ill give you hitler was a genius
BMXFREAK669: i mean
a carbon echo: hitler was mad also
BMXFREAK669: i said this on the way to meet you
BMXFREAK669: the nazis were genius
a carbon echo: and so how can you prove that this guy wasn't a genius?
BMXFREAK669: they were good at what they did
BMXFREAK669: now not that it was for good
a carbon echo: you can't.
BMXFREAK669: but they were good at it
BMXFREAK669: he was hailed as smart
BMXFREAK669: ill give you that
BMXFREAK669: problem
a carbon echo: yes?
BMXFREAK669: he only did all this under orders from his superior
BMXFREAK669: now
a carbon echo: who is he?
BMXFREAK669: he never did anything different
BMXFREAK669: his superior
BMXFREAK669: hold on a sec
a carbon echo: who are we takling about here?
BMXFREAK669: lemme find the page with that
BMXFREAK669: Professor von Verschue
BMXFREAK669: that was his superior
a carbon echo: okay
BMXFREAK669: he was called a genius
BMXFREAK669: any way
BMXFREAK669: im done with that
BMXFREAK669: moving on in my night
a carbon echo: haha i was enjoying this discussion
BMXFREAK669: well
BMXFREAK669: i wasnt for the fact i poured over all the reports of what he did
BMXFREAK669: it made me sick
BMXFREAK669: it was the most disgusting thing id heard of the third riech doing
BMXFREAK669: they let this guy try to play god
a carbon echo: sure it was disgusting because he tortured them
a carbon echo: but does that make the gas chambers anymore humane? not necessarily.
BMXFREAK669: yes it does
BMXFREAK669: they had a quick death
BMXFREAK669: these people
BMXFREAK669: had it alot worse
a carbon echo: either way they were mass murdered for something they couldn't control
a carbon echo: regardless of what way you do it, it doesn't make it right.
BMXFREAK669: yeah
BMXFREAK669: but they tried to control it by sterillizing them
BMXFREAK669: and castrating them
BMXFREAK669: and killing them
BMXFREAK669: and torturing them
a carbon echo: and the gas chambers weren't much quicker!
BMXFREAK669: actually
a carbon echo: it took them 20-30 minutes to kill the people inside
BMXFREAK669: they took what
BMXFREAK669: 3 to 5 minutes
a carbon echo: no
BMXFREAK669: well the ones at auschwitz did
a carbon echo: The gas chambers, built to resemble shower rooms, held up to 2,000 people. Zyklon B gas was funneled into the sealed rooms, and asphyxiated the victims trapped inside. The whole mass-killing process lasted 20-30 minutes.
a carbon echo: that's from auschwitz
BMXFREAK669: eh
BMXFREAK669: yes
a carbon echo: ZYKLON B: Commercial name of hydrogen cyanide, a highly poisonous cyanic gas that was used in the Nazi extermination camps, especially Auschwitz. As soon as the gas pellets were exposed to air, they turned into lethal gas, killing within minutes. Introduced into use when the planners of the "Final Solution" sought more effective means of mass killing
BMXFREAK669: 20 to 30 minutes
BMXFREAK669: now
BMXFREAK669: he held the experimentees for 2 to 3 weeksw
BMXFREAK669: and did alot more grusome and horrible tests and experiments on them in that time
a carbon echo: but that was in advance of torturing them
BMXFREAK669: all who talk or saw or researched the whole thing
BMXFREAK669: say
BMXFREAK669: the gas chambers were more humaine
a carbon echo: they were more humane but none of this was humane at all!
BMXFREAK669: i know
a carbon echo: so it doesn't matter what way they did it
BMXFREAK669: i disagree with all of it in general
a carbon echo: sure one was quicker
BMXFREAK669: and one left less then an 8th of the percent that came in alive after it was over
BMXFREAK669: and they have gotten little to no compensation for it
a carbon echo: what compensation could be even the slightest bit comforting when your relatives and friends and neighbors are being burned?
a carbon echo: plus he didn't pick ALL twins
a carbon echo: Selected for forced labor, these two Jewish twin sisters were sent to the right. (They managed to survive Auschwitz and after the war immigrated to Israel.)
BMXFREAK669: yes he did
BMXFREAK669: those twins
BMXFREAK669: i read about them
BMXFREAK669: he experimented on them
BMXFREAK669: i just finished 15 minutes ago on them
a carbon echo: but they survived!
BMXFREAK669: yes
BMXFREAK669: as i said
BMXFREAK669: less then an 8th of the twins and others he did all this on survived
BMXFREAK669: they were among that
BMXFREAK669: im done
a carbon echo: i don't know
BMXFREAK669: cause we both agree its wrong
BMXFREAK669: lol
a carbon echo: this whole thing is ridiculously wrong
BMXFREAK669: we share the view
a carbon echo: but you do have to have a very genius mind to come up with this plan
BMXFREAK669: not really
BMXFREAK669: you need a deman
a carbon echo: and you have to have the power to make people obey you
BMXFREAK669: *demnad
BMXFREAK669: *demand
BMXFREAK669: the demand was
BMXFREAK669: hitler wanted research done for the construction of the master race
a carbon echo: demand isn't everything though
BMXFREAK669: and the research done to figure out ways to save thier master race of soldiers in situations
a carbon echo: because i could to washington dc and demand that we kill jews
a carbon echo: but i would get arrested
BMXFREAK669: no
BMXFREAK669: hitler
BMXFREAK669: was the equal of w dc
BMXFREAK669: and so
BMXFREAK669: he demanded
BMXFREAK669: he got
a carbon echo: hitler worked for years to build the political foundation that he did
BMXFREAK669: it was a dictatorship
BMXFREAK669: yes he did
a carbon echo: he was a hard working genius. just because he did something completely immoral and completely wrong doesn't make him any less of an important politcal leader.
BMXFREAK669: you wanna see what this guy did
BMXFREAK669: i found pics
BMXFREAK669: thier graphic
a carbon echo: i don't care
BMXFREAK669: ok
BMXFREAK669: then dont
BMXFREAK669: lol
a carbon echo: no i mean i don't care that they're graphic.
a carbon echo: haha
BMXFREAK669: oh
BMXFREAK669: they also experimented on shrinking people
a carbon echo: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
BMXFREAK669: theyd shrink to a seize and expire
a carbon echo: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
BMXFREAK669: yeah
BMXFREAK669: thats just the chambers and stuff
BMXFREAK669: you dont see the experiments they performs
BMXFREAK669: *performed
a carbon echo: but you see the death
BMXFREAK669: yeah
BMXFREAK669: its not the same
a carbon echo: but it is
a carbon echo: because both were the same outcome
BMXFREAK669: yes
BMXFREAK669: thats true
a carbon echo: are you saying that it's not equally torturous to be in a barrack that's only supposed to hold 100 people, which actually has 500 people when they're starving to death and dying from infectious diseases practically on top of you, you don't know where your family is, you're constantly fearing when the next selection is and you're hungry as hell? you can't say that that's not equally torturous. maybe it isn't physically, but mentally it is.
BMXFREAK669: it is
BMXFREAK669: its still horrible
BMXFREAK669: its all bad
BMXFREAK669: its horrible
BMXFREAK669: but these experiments
BMXFREAK669: were the worst part of it
a carbon echo: you want to know a creepier fact?
BMXFREAK669: sure
a carbon echo: mengele was a human puppet master before he got the idea to experiment on people.
BMXFREAK669: i was aware
BMXFREAK669: heres a lovely list of some of the experiments they did
BMXFREAK669: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/holocaust/experiside.html#free
a carbon echo: the daisy one
BMXFREAK669: have a look
a carbon echo: i mean, who thinks of that?
BMXFREAK669: what daisy one
a carbon echo: The daisy game, which was scary for a child, heightened the victim’s attention. Matrixes were built upon this deadly game. How did it feel to be programmed with Mengele’s "I love you, I love you not" programming? A victim recalls, "The child was placed in a cage exposed and naked. The low voltage wires were rigged to the metal of the cage. The child experienced a continual erratic or sporadic prolonged voltage of shock until the heart would pulsate and the anxiety level of the child became out of control. "Then the Dr. would enter the scene with his sneering taunting smile while holding a daisy in his hands. The sporadic voltage would continue to flow through the child’s body. As the shock continued, the Dr. stood before the child pulling petals off the daisy. His only communication was voiced in these words, "LOVE YOU, LOVE YOU NOT, LOVE YOU, LOVE YOU NOT," while pulling off the daisy petals. This action would drive the child crazy because the child knows full well if that last petal is pulled off it meant death. The child that is not loved is skinned alive before the other children. "...we can now begin to understand that the expendable children were in other cages placed all around us for the eye to see. They went through the same process as we watched. When the last petal of the daisy was pulled from the flower they were killed. The Illuminati Formula 11. Internal Controls
a carbon echo: but you do know that experiments are still performed on rats and animals today
a carbon echo: but no one seems to care..because they're animals, right?
BMXFREAK669: still living things
a carbon echo: that's inhumane too, but we still do it..so just because these experiments are on more advanced life forms, they're more of a concern?
BMXFREAK669: i disagree with it
a carbon echo: i love the logic of america
BMXFREAK669: haha
BMXFREAK669: i dont like america that much my girlfriend
a carbon echo: i know you do
a carbon echo: n't
a carbon echo: what you have to understand is that these were primitive ways to find answers
a carbon echo: and maybe there weren't any more humane ways back then
a carbon echo:

Sulfanilamide
BMXFREAK669: i know that
a carbon echo: that was legitimate.
a carbon echo: because it was trying to better the health of the germans
BMXFREAK669: its just sick that theyd take prisoners then kill them for the benefit of thier "master race"
a carbon echo: not every action can suit each side.
BMXFREAK669: as i just said
a carbon echo: it's sick but it's science.
BMXFREAK669: im aware of all this
BMXFREAK669: ive spent some of my life looking at the germans ways during world war 2
BMXFREAK669: they were smart
BMXFREAK669: they had technology we just got to work recently
BMXFREAK669: they were geniuses
BMXFREAK669: honestly
BMXFREAK669: if we hadnt stepped in
BMXFREAK669: they would have won
a carbon echo: i agree that they were geniuses.
BMXFREAK669: if we stepped in
BMXFREAK669: 3 months later
BMXFREAK669: game over
BMXFREAK669: nazis rule the world
a carbon echo: but i mean it was part the jews fault too
a carbon echo: Some 300 women at Auschwitz subsequently underwent artificial insemination at the hands of Clauberg, who reportedly taunted victims strapped down before him by informing them that he had just inseminated them with animal sperm and that monsters were now growing in their wombs.
a carbon echo: i mean, who believes that?!
BMXFREAK669: hey
BMXFREAK669: if you had it happen to you
BMXFREAK669: you probably would have believed it
a carbon echo: but monsters?!
a carbon echo: come on.
BMXFREAK669: you werent told of anything before it happened
a carbon echo: maybe if i was delirious from starvation
BMXFREAK669: as they were
BMXFREAK669: im done
a carbon echo: me too
a carbon echo: haha
BMXFREAK669: are you sickened
BMXFREAK669: ?
a carbon echo: i'm all intellected out.
a carbon echo: not really.
BMXFREAK669: thats good
a carbon echo: i just want to know their logic, what made them do it.
BMXFREAK669: lemme try to sum it up
BMXFREAK669: we were told by the leader himself figure these things out to help our master race come true do what i tell you and we will be indestructible
BMXFREAK669: we will win
BMXFREAK669: cause you did what you did
a carbon echo: yeah it's mob mentality
BMXFREAK669: you killed you experimented
a carbon echo: but i want to know what hitler thought.
BMXFREAK669: you saved your race
a carbon echo: i want to know his rationale
BMXFREAK669: he thought he was doing what needed to be done
a carbon echo: i want to know mengele
a carbon echo: 's rationale
BMXFREAK669: he lost his
a carbon echo: but what made him think that this is what needed to be done?
BMXFREAK669: he was being told it was what was need to be done
a carbon echo: where did history wrong hitler that it lead to this?
BMXFREAK669: and he listened
BMXFREAK669: who knows
a carbon echo: i know he knew it needed to be done
BMXFREAK669: why
BMXFREAK669: cause he wanted a race to call his own
BMXFREAK669: he wanted to rule the world and control a race he created
a carbon echo: but what made him think of something so explicit, so well planned out when there were probably a handful of other exploited plans of action he could have chosen?
BMXFREAK669: his i have to say
BMXFREAK669: was very very smart effective and succesful
a carbon echo: yeah
a carbon echo: i said that one day and i thought everyone was going to kill me on the spot.
a carbon echo: we're so biased.
BMXFREAK669: what led you to that statement
a carbon echo: we were talking about power and how to obtain it
a carbon echo: and i said that hitler was a political genius
BMXFREAK669: haha
BMXFREAK669: its true
BMXFREAK669: he was a genius
a carbon echo: and just because i said hitler, all the jews automatically raised their hands
BMXFREAK669: wow
a carbon echo: because we've been force-feeding kids this bias view that hitler was all bad
a carbon echo: that the name hitler automatically means i hate jews

"A thousand bodies piled up

I never thought would be enough

to show you just what I've been thinking.."--MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE

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